All - I pre-ordered a copy of GT4 from my local Best Buy. I just called them today to get a ship date, and just as I expected they are non-committal as to whether the game will arrive at their store tomorrow. The person I spoke with advised me that the game will "maybe" be there tomorrow afternoon.

I just thought I'd let everyone know in case they made plans to take time off of work, etc. I originally did, but I will be going to work instead of wasting my time at home until the late afternoon for a "maybe".

Kerr

rob - I feel you. I can't express in words how exasperated I am with Sony / Polyphony Digital and their continual pushing of the release date far beyond what anyone feels is acceptable. When details of GT4 began to solidify over a year ago, I started asking for information about the game to aid in upgrading GTVault. I require every little bit of information about the cars, what parts they can accommodate, etc. After a few tries, I never received any more information than is available to the general public. DTW tried for me as well and got no further.

I have already spent so much time upgrading GTVault for GT4 that there is no turning back. Had I known the release would be pushed back over a year and that I would receive 0 cooperation from the developers, I would not have gone to the trouble. The very least Sony and/or PD could have done was to treat me with a little more respect than the average kid asking for information. I hope no one takes offense, but I don't see anyone else trying to pull this off. I see gtvault as basically free advertising for Sony and Polyphony Digital, and if they choose to not help cultivate resources such as GTVault, those resources may cease to exist.

Every facet of this debacle they call a game release has been a disappointment. If I performed my job to the deadline ethics I have seen exhibited by Sony / PD, I would have been fired long ago.

Kerr

PipSqueek -You hit the nail on the head with regard to competition. The behavior exhibited by Sony / PD is a symptom of serious lack of competition. I played a demo of Forza at CompUSA and I was pretty impressed considering the end version will almost certainly be more polished. Forza, though, will involve more aesthetic customization than the GT series has. Overall, it will still be for serious race sim fans.

As far as interest goes - the last time I looked at the gtplanet forums the number of gamers expressing apathy towards the release of GT4 was growing rapidly.

zeratul - thanks for offering to help out. I am hoping to have enough help to get the car information compiled, but I will keep you in mind should I need more assistance.

Don't worry - like I said earlier, I've spent too much time on this project not to see it though to the end. Plus, I made the site for the tuning community in the first place and I know you guys appreciate it. The free marketing for PD and my frustrations with their actions are a side effect.

Kerr

From what I've read in that chaotic thread on GTPlanet regarding the North American release, 2 player garage cars are in along with many of the fixes/additions to be included in the PAL version.

According to the guy at E/B Games in the mall near me here in Southern Oregon, we'll have ours tomorrow for sure. I paid a $5.00 deposit for dibs on mine. I also paid a $5.00 deposit for the Prima Stategy Guide to go with it that was supposed to available last Wednesday, but it keeps getting pushed back, now until early March,....go figure. I'm not holding my breath for the game for tomorrow either,....but wishfull thinking has me praying for GT4 for this weekend. Happy driving........... Tis

I'm going to call the Best Buy today to see if they have my pre-order. I've heard that the strategy guide had lots of errors which is why the release date has been pushed. Par for the course I guess!

HD - I've held off on buying an HD set until 1080p sets become more commonplace later this year. The 5th gen DLPs from Samsung look awesome. Either way, I'm sure it won't help jaggies unless you're doing some post processing either through a PC or an expensive scaler. I've noticed that the PS2 in general has always been very poor looking from an anti-aliasing perspective when compared to the XBox and Game Cube. The same can be said for the PS1 vs. the N64 and Sega Dreamcast.

Kerr

kerr, i feel your pain man. you should've got a copy of GT4 the same time IGN and gamespot got their reviewable copies, it makes no sense to me why they didnt send you one.
anywho you're right abpout the competition. will you create a tuning site for forza? that would rule.

I just called the Best Buy store and they ddn't receive their shipment this morning, so it looks like they won't place the game on the shelves until tomorrow.

So I decided to call the local EB Games, and they had it yesterday evening just like SprayTech mentioned. Screw the $5 pre-order with Best Buy, I'm heading to EB Games this evening.

am I the only one that got mine on Tuesday afternoon?

I will do more business with EB Games as I called yesterday morning before lunch and asked if GT4 was actually going on the shelves on the 22nd like PD said , and the guy said he was hoping to put the game on the shelve
buy 7pm but most likely 8pm that night,
I also called Best Buy & Circuit City to see if they were putting GT4 on the shelve on the 22nd and they told me that GT4 was set back till march.
They dont know what is going on at those stores !!!
Thank You EBGames for saving me a pre ordered copy back , been playing mine for 2 hours now , I am fairly pleased with it .............It does have a few jaggies in HD but only when the pop up screen comes up before the race , but after that it looks good , the cars actually are better sounding too !!!

I do like that you were able to transfer 100,000 credits & the first 2 levels of the license tests from your saved GT3 game
I raced the first 5 FR tracks and WOW laguna Seca and the others are highly detailed . Cant wait to advance higher into the game . Just wish I had one of those GT racing seat set ups , as a regular chair is killing my knees with the foot pedals.