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Post #1 - Posted 07/26/2002 10:00 PM
My roommate is thinking about getting a new car and he's wavering between the new Mustang Cobra that's coming out (390bhp) and the F150 Lightning. I personally think he should get the Lightning - you can't beat a badass truck IMO. What do you guys think?
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Post #1 - Posted 07/27/2002 2:07 AM
Is he ever gonna use the truck(besides driving it)? If he's only gonna drive places, get the Mustang. But dont forget the price... if that matters.
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Post #2 - Posted 07/27/2002 2:22 AM
Well, he used to have a Silverado and used it to haul a lot of stuff. I do know that if he gets the Lightning he won't be hauling a lot of stuff in it though. I just think the Lightning has a little more panache than the Mustang. Where I'm from (the Midwest) Mustangs are generally associated with white trash, so that probably plays into it. I've driven a number of Cobras and I like them but the Lightning is untouchable as a truck - until that new Dodge with the Viper engine comes out. If I remember correctly, the Lightning will be 32-35k and the new Cobra will be about 35k??? Anyway, my vote is for the Lightning - convince me...
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Post #3 - Posted 07/27/2002 3:13 AM
i'd go with the truck, i never really liked mustangs myself. I'm a Bowtie fan. =/ But if i really had to choose, the truck would be more useful imho.
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Post #4 - Posted 07/27/2002 11:47 PM
People are free to buy what they choose, buy being a die hard follower of the General, if it ain't GMC or Chevy, I gotta pass. Having said that, I am a truck guy, and if the choice is between a Mustang and the Lightning, I say go with the truck.
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Post #5 - Posted 07/29/2002 5:00 PM
Definately tell him to get the mustang. The mustang is INCREDIBLY fast. Being compared to M3's and C5 Vettes. Plus it's going to handle like 30 times better than the truck. True it may not be as useful as a truck but oh well. Plus the truck makes all that power supercharged, while the mustang is naturally asperated. The mustang also weighs in at 3664 lbs and has 390 hp and 390 torque. This gives it a power to weight ratio of less than 10. The Lightning weighs in at 4674 and has 380 hp with 450 torque. THe mustang is also DOHC vs the truck which is SOHC. The mustang will blow the truck out of the water without even having to try.
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Post #6 - Posted 07/29/2002 5:30 PM
Well, thats pretty obvious a sport coupe like the mustang is going to beat a much heavier truck. Then again, you cant really haul a trailer with a mustang can you? The Lightning has roughtly the same performace as the mustang, engine wise, and still looks very good. And who really cares if the truck's engine is supercharged? it still makes power. Basically, the Truck can hold its own as a daily driver and a hauler, while still looking good and running just as well. The mustang has the cargo space of a lunchbox.
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Post #7 - Posted 07/29/2002 6:36 PM
Who cares which one is faster? Sports cars and sport trucks are fun to drive, I agree, but having grown up on a farm, a work truck like a full size 4x4 Silverado HD or Ford Super Duty is much more useful. Practicality should be an important factor in choosing a vehicle as well.
My Z71 GMC won't do 175mph, but fortunately buildings can't move, so I can take my time getting there. Besides, gas prices are too high to be wasting it all by speeding everywhere I go.
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Post #8 - Posted 07/29/2002 7:08 PM
I said the NA vs FI(Forced Induction thing) for a point on reliability. As a rule, NA engines will last longer than FI ones. Turbo diesel is a different story but that's irrelivent here. I agree I do live in a suburban area where, trucks are not very useful, but if you haul around heavy stuff in that truck you are an idiot. You don't spend 30 grand on a truck like that. If you are spending 30 grand on a truck, you get a TRUCK. For the price of the F150 lighting you can easily afford an F350. Nobody who buys this truck should care about the fact it's a truck. It's a sports car. It has a sports car suspension. The truck has a frickin 800 lb payload, I can put 800 lbs in my Ford Taurus for gods sakes(Not really but you understand.) A standard F150 has a payload of 2670 lbs. This isn't a truck, it's a sports car with a makeshift truck bed. I had just figured that on a GT3 tuning board you people would care about power and speed. Guess I figured wrong huh? Simply put the mustang blows the lighting out of the water in everything but torque. You slap the same supercharger on the mustang and the f150 is dead. If you need a truck, buy an old used pickup, if you have 30 grand to spend, buy the mustang. Or an E36 M3.
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Post #9 - Posted 07/30/2002 1:07 PM
The '03 Cobra hit dealers early this month already. Both the Cobra and the Lightning are supercharged. Try a little more research, the '03 Cobra dyno's at around 430bhp and can run the quarter mile in high 11 second times with slicks, exhaust, and a Lightning pulley. Staying true to muscle car form, the Cobra is for mostly straight line fast, however, only a Corvette Z06 would be a better choice for overall performance. On a site where people
are such great fans of a videogame centered around performance cars, it's amazing to see that you all would pick the Lightning over the Cobra. You think a Mustang is stereotypical of white trash, so you choose a TRUCK over it? Hahaha... nice. I'd save that white trash argument for the owner of a 1984 Camaro anyday. Visit Corral.net for any questions on the matter. Good luck having as much fun driving the Lightning over a hell of a much better
overall performer.
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Post #10 - Posted 07/31/2002 11:21 AM
Rudy311, An M3? For $30k you'd have to go with at best a '99. You'll get great handling but not nearly the engine performance. Maintenance costs would drive the end price through the roof as well.
Sheesh, what's more white trash than the regurgitation of drag strip stats? Thanks for your insight, DarkHorse!
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Post #11 - Updated 07/31/2002 5:05 PM
actually E36 M3's were made way back into the 90's. A 1995(Best year for tuning, what I'd be interested in) is going to cost under 20 grand to buy. E46 are the new ones, and are still way to expensive to find a good one for the price. And darkhorse if you pay a visit to the SVT site, http://www.svt.ford.com/flash/bottom1cobra03.html , you will notice the cobra is naturally asperated and it makes 390 hp, the '02 cobra's had superchargers, but the new one is 100% all motor. And kerr would you rather me regurgitate road course stats? That would be much more humiliating for the lightning, so I think I'll pass.
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Post #12 - Posted 07/31/2002 5:09 PM
Personally I wouldn't go with either of them. I can't stand trucks, and Mustangs are bad enough. Sorry I'm a Chevy fan  . To each his own.
One more thing cueball2000uk keeps post whoring a bunch of setups. He adds a comment to a lot of the setups about his website. I wish he'd stop it's annoying!
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Post #13 - Posted 07/31/2002 5:59 PM
I didn't ask for regurgitation of anything the last time I checked, so thanks for passing.
I mentioned the '99 M3 because of the price point of the Cobra and Lightning. Sure you can get a seven year old car for less and then modify it, but now you have a modified (less reliable) seven year old car with a lot more miles than the two options I started the post with. How about something new, unmodified, with 350-400HP, and price in the same neighborhood? Definitely not a bimmer. Don't get me wrong, I love them, they're just not worth the price.
SlegeHammerVette thanks for letting me know about the post whore - he will be dealt with appropriately.
And members always ask me why I don't start up a forum....
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Post #14 - Updated 07/31/2002 9:44 PM
A 2002 Cobra was never made Rudy. 1993-1999, 2000 Cobra R, 2001, & 2003 are the only years. The 2003 runs the same DOHC 4.6 since 96 except at a lower compression and supercharger. Look at SVT's site specs again on the Cobra: "Induction system: Eaton Corporation Generation IV Roots-type supercharger with water-to-air intercooler." And to Kerr: "What's more white trash than track specs?" Yeah, only rednecks visit a track. Nice theory. White trash would pick a truck of any kind, any day.If you are actually going to use the Lightning for hauling, then that's the best choice. If not, you either hate Mustangs (obviously) or love them. So why the hell ask and get pissy when people defend a great performance car?
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Post #15 - Updated 07/31/2002 9:48 PM
Rudy311...
From the site you mentioned (under specs) :
Induction: Eaton Corporation Generation IV Roots-type supercharger with water-to-air intercooler
Sure sounds like a blower to me...
(lol Darkhorse...beat me too it!)
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Post #16 - Posted 07/31/2002 10:59 PM
Think about this,
If you get the mustang, Ur a speed freak and will end up adding HP and new toys, NOS NOS NOS NOS NOS.
If you get the lightning well Might as well make it a pro street truck or a bad ass MONSTER TRUCK! and if it gets in an accident, IT WILL LIVE with flat tires or needed suspension to replace.
The Mustang would probably be totaled and isa looker. Besides Where I live even teachers drivem. Half the parking lot at the highschool drivers cavalier.
MINE WILL BE THE ONLY STREET RACER HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA. I almost have enough money to buy the paint job/ Decals and NOS
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Post #17 - Posted 08/01/2002 6:14 PM
Okay I'll come clean. I only injected that white trash Mustang comment because I knew someone (DarkHorse in this case) would vehemently defend it to the death. Congrats on being that guy and no hard feelings, eh?
In all seriousness, I've always liked Mustangs but I'm not a huge fan of the current body style. I'm waiting to see what the new style looks like in the flesh. On paper it looks great, and I'm sure perfomance won't be decreasing. I haven't read - DarkHorse or anyone else do you know of any engine changes, etc?
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Post #18 - Posted 08/02/2002 12:35 PM
haha see, i wasn't reading that far down. On the lightnign it lists the SC on the engine type. I checked the mustang and it wasn't there, but was farther down... bah. By '02, you know I meant earlier. And anyone else think BIOHAZZARDOUS has watched The Fast And The Furious one too many times?
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Post #19 - Posted 08/02/2002 5:51 PM
im partial to the car, its more fun to play w/, body options, other power goodies. but if he's gonna keep it stock, and just wants something different i'd tell him the lightning. i got a '96 and i love it.
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Post #20 - Posted 08/03/2002 12:28 PM
I have watched it 15 times twice in the theater. What about turning the Lightning into a monster truck?
Besides who wouldnt want to go 180MPH and have lots of NOS in there car?
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