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1:38.469
07/01/2005 7:42 PM
05/28/2006 8:15 PM  
Muffler Racing Suspension Racing
Racing Chip Sports Transmission Full Customize
NA Tune Stage 2 Clutch Triple Plate
Front Tires S3 - Soft Flywheel Racing
Rear Tires S3 - Soft Carbon Driveshaft Equipped
Nitrous None GT Auto - Wing None
Turbine Kit None Limited Slip Standard
Intercooler None AYC None
Supercharger None VCD None
Brakes Racing Weight Reduction Stage 3
Brake Controller Equipped Increase Rigidity Equipped
Setup Item Front Rear Setup Item Front Rear
Spring Rate 8.9 7.7 Stabilizers 3 3
Ride Height 95 97 Brake Balance 5 3
Shock Absorbers Downforce
Shock Bound 5 6 LSD Init. Torque 5
Shock Rebound 6 7 LSD Acceleration 15
Camber Angle 2.3 1.1 LSD Deceleration 5
Toe Angle 0 -1 Nitrous
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th Final Auto Set
4
ASM
Oversteer
ASM
Understeer
TCS Ballast
Balance
Ballast
Weight
AYC VCD
0 0 0
Retuned on 5/22/06 for Laguna Seca. Set up for Driving Force Pro.

I ran 1' 38.469 on S3/S3 tires.

Lightweight car stacks up against many larger and more powerful.
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Post #1 - Posted 07/05/2005 2:11 AM
Would these settings work for users that don't have or are not using the DFP wheel?
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Post #2 - Posted 07/05/2005 2:26 AM
yeah sure should,........ might be a little twitchy,........so be smooth on and off the gas and brakes. set your DS2 with the gas on the "X" and the brake at R1 to separate them. Good luck, and have fun.
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Post #3 - Posted 05/20/2006 11:28 PM
So I am not done with the race yet but here something I wanted to share with you BTW.

Car: Ginetta G4 with racing chip, oil change, and S1 tires; nothing else.
Driver and Style: Me in tire conservation mode.
Race and Event: European 1000 Miles La Sarthe II.
Current Status: Lap 17, front tires light green, rear tires light green, with 6 tenths of a tank of gas left.

Key Point: I have noticed since the first race of the series this car uses very little gas and is light on its tires. I had made some notes about the performance (“Current Status”) in the prior three races but have misplaced them. I will keep you updated with the race; the key thing I want to stress is at the current gas/tire consumption rate I feel this car may be able to do all 35 laps of this race WITHOUT a single pit stop.
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Post #4 - Posted 05/20/2006 11:42 PM
Sounds great lemme know. Sound like somthing I'd like to try too!
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Post #5 - Posted 05/21/2006 7:40 PM
That’s it race complete; 35 laps at Sarthe II for a total of 295 miles on one tank of gas and one set of tires. When I crossed the line for the checkered flag I had two-tenths of tank of gas left and my front tires were yellow-green and my back tires were yellow.

Now that’s what I call a car! Have any more cars that can do this been found in the game?
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European 1000 Miles
Post #6 - Posted 05/21/2006 11:18 PM
So you won that one?........ Way cool!!! Were you up against the AC Cobra in the line up? I'm a much more conservative driver than I was back when I used the '61 Jag E-Type to win, (Check my notes on the Jag setup if you care to). How did you fare on the other three races with the Ginetta?
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Post #7 - Updated 05/21/2006 11:56 PM
I had no problem winning the other races but I used Bob to drive part of them. My Bob had no experience when I started the races and couldn’t handle the car to save his life. I still can’t find my notes but I do recall at the Ring I was making minimal tire wear and a tenth of a tank for every four laps. I ran against the:

    ’67 Mazda 110S (L10A)
    ’67 Nissan Skyline 2000GT-B (S54A)
    ’65 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600
    ’68 Isuzu Bellet 1600 GT-R
    ’65 Fiat 500F

The best lap I had at La Sarthe II was a 5’06.2xx and that was done without drafting and it was a clean lap; it was lap 33 when I was no longer worried about gas or tires.
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Post #8 - Posted 05/22/2006 1:54 AM
Come to think of it I have restarted the game about a half dozen or more times and have never come up against the Cobra? It may be that I try to use the lower powered base models for the race so I can get better tire and fuel usage. How many times have you competed against the Cobra?
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Post #9 - Posted 05/22/2006 2:06 AM
Just the once,............. but I entered with a 407 hp 1961 Jaguar E-Type Coupe. I'm looking forward to running again "your way" the second time.
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Post #10 - Posted 05/22/2006 2:14 AM
BTWhite37 wrote:
I entered with a 407 hp 1961 Jaguar E-Type Coupe


Yep I think that would do it!

This car was simple to control once I got used to the loose back end. Since you have the DFP I do have a tip that will help out, take it easy on the throttle after turns and ease back going into any esse style bends until you get a feel for the cars handling.
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Keeping a log.
Post #11 - Posted 05/22/2006 10:05 AM
If you are going to run it again do you plan to B-Spec any of the races? Bob isn’t programmed to make best use of tires and fuel and Opera Paris is just to annoying for me to drive straight through. If you are driving them all straight through make notes of your tire and fuel consumption and post them up here please.
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Will Do..........
Post #12 - Posted 05/22/2006 12:09 PM
Yes of course,... I've been posting my results, (race notes), for endurance races and race series with each individual car setup, as well as in the Knowledge Base section of the site.
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Test maybe?
Post #13 - Updated 05/22/2006 1:59 PM
I hate to point out the obvious but it looks like the only way to tell if any other cars can do this is to run the race with every car that meets the specs. I did a quick search using the Advanced Search feature (limited search of all cars from 1915 to 1970) and that means 48 possible cars. The Ginetta can now be removed from the list. I can’t see you doing this on your own and I am not too sure about having the time to help you. Each race would have to be run with cars using S1’s front and back, no mods over 110hp or any mods if the car comes stock over 110hp. Finally each race would have to be run by hand; Bob just can’t manage tires and fuel like a person.

There is the option of running a truncated race to test tire and fuel usage. It would still have to be run on each of the four tracks but would save time and there is no logical reason why such a shortened test wouldn’t work; your thoughts?

Edited in: I could help with a shortened test if we can split the cars.
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European 1000 Miles!
Post #14 - Updated 05/28/2006 7:17 PM
DTW wrote:
I ran against the:

’67 Mazda 110S (L10A)
’67 Nissan Skyline 2000GT-B (S54A)
’65 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600
’68 Isuzu Bellet 1600 GT-R
’65 Fiat 500F

The best lap I had at La Sarthe II was a 5’06.2xx and that was done without drafting and it was a clean lap; it was lap 33 when I was no longer worried about gas or tires.


I had to restart a few times to get what I thought was a good field to race against. I took some notes of what cars the AI offered me. I was using the '64 Ginetta G4 wtih a sport intake/muffler and an oil change, 98 hp.

Field 1:
'68 Volkswagen Karman Ghia Coupe (Type-1)
'65 Fiat 500F
'66 Honda S800
'65 Alfa Romeo Gulia Sprint GTA 1600
'70 Mini Marcos GT

Field 2: included:
'54 Mercedes 300SL Coupe
I declined..................

Field 3: included:
'66 AC Cars 427 S/C
I remembered what challenge this car was at the ring with a 407 hp
'61 Jag E-Type. No way with a 98 hp Ginetta, I declined.........

Field 4:
'68 Izuzu 117 Coupe
'66 Alfa Romeo Spider 1600 Duetto
'68 Volkswagen Karman Ghia Coupe (Type-1)
'66 Honda S800
'63 Alfa Romeo Gulia Sprint Speciale

Field 5: included:
'61 Jaguar E-Type Coupe
I declined.............

Field 6: Back to the:
'66 AC Cars 427 S/C

Field 7: The one I chose to run against because
of the obvious comparison:

'64 Ginetta G4
'65 Nissan Silvia (CSP311)
'65 Alfa Romeo Gulia Sprint GTA 1600
'66 Honda S800
'68 Volkswagen Karman Ghia Coupe (Type-1)

More notes to come.................................
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European 1000 Miles! Round One:
Post #15 - Updated 05/29/2006 12:00 PM
Nurburgring Nordschleife: 25 laps, (323.5 miles)

The Car, a '64 Ginetta G4 with a sport intake/exhaust and an oil change for 98 hp at the start of the race

I decided to try and run the entire race without a stop just to see if it could be done. While the Ginetta is frugal enough on fuel to make the distance, barely!, it was a pipe dream to get there without a stop. I managed the fuel just fine, having no bars left on the linear fuel gauge left, so it seems just enough. The race became a one stop affair for a fresh set of S1's and a driver change, B-Spec Bob finished the last 12 laps. Here are some random notes:

Lap 1 thru 8: I mangaed to gap the field, including the G4, runing a 9' 15.xx - 9' 30.xx pace, plodding along watching my tires go away regaurdless of how smoothly I drove.

Lap 9: Tires were green front / yellow rear.

Lap 10: 9' 04.572, Fastest of the race with yellow-orange rear tires.

Lap 12: Tires are junk, green-yellow front / orange rear. Fuel clicks off the last of the first half a tank at the beginning of the last straight.

Lap 13: Pit stop. Race time 2: 01'45.xxx Nursed it in on crap tires,
green-yellow front / dark orange rear. Fuel is fine, I expect B-Spec Bob to be more frugal on fuel than I was, we'll see. B-spec Bob, (4978 skill pts) takes over to finish the rest of the race. I have a 3'30.xxx or so lead on the other G4 when I pull in the pits. We swap drivers, take on tires and no fuel, and off we go.

Lap 14 thru 23: Bob is doing fine on speed 3 (Steady), but a bit slower than I to the tune of 15 to 30 seconds a lap. He is maintaining the three minute lead on the other G4.

Lap 24: Tires and fuel seem to be right on par with how I had managed them. Tires, maybe a bit worse. B-Spec Bob slides off the track in the same places every now and again and spins out every so often, but he's winning.

Lap 25: Tires are junk just liike they were for me. Fuel reads empty on the gauge but there is enough to finish. Final time, 3: 57' 21.xxx B-Spec Bob wins the race for us.

We managed the race on one stop for tires. Fuel went the whole way on one tank. All in all an uneventful race. The winning margin was just over three minutes as I had left it after lap 13. Car was down to 93 hp at the end of the race.

Here are the Numbers:
Total time: 3:57' 21.xxx
Total laps: 25
Total miles: 323.5
Fastest lap: Race: 9' 04.572
Pit: 13th lap, S1 / S1 tires
Horse Power: 98 Hp, Ginetta G4 '64, (93hp at end of race)
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Post #16 - Updated 07/30/2006 4:12 PM
Hey guys, intersting topic, I really like these small fr cars.

I ran the 1000 mile at sarthe with a lotus elan s1 '62 here is what I did and the result.

Started with a used s1 with oil change, stg 3 w/r, and fc tranny, s1/s1, nothing else.

111hp, 581kg for a p/w of 5.22, tranny auto set at 7 to keep governer from kicking in on long steight(top speed 130mph). Turned all driving aids off.

Started slow, first few laps at 5.20.xxx and worked down to a 5.06.xxx on lap 12 and a 5.03.xxx by lap 16, eased off for a while but ran a 5.03.639 on lap 26.

Total time was 3.00.39.795 which leaves alot of room for improvement but I was interested in finishing without a pit stop. Gas had a sliver on the last bar left and tires where just starting to turn orange(full yellow ended on lap 32).

Ran against a weak feild:

Alfa Romeo Gulia Sprint GTA 1600 '65
Alfa Romeo Spider 1600 Duetto '66
Toyota Sport 800 '65
Nissan Skyline 1500 Deluxe (550d-1) '63
Fiat 500f '65

Laped the sprint 2.5 times. I should say I try very hard to drive by this code; two wheels on track at all times, no ai contact, and no wall hitting or riding. My faster laps where not draft aided as it is hard to draft a Fiat 500f without slaming into him.

I'm running the g4 stock with oil change and fc tranny in b'spec now to see the compairison and to see how fast the a/c runs the race, will update when it's over.

G4 has 100hp and a p/w of 4.55.

Oh yea, I like the s1 better then the g4, better brakes and less steping out of the rear.
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Post #17 - Updated 07/30/2006 5:15 PM
Well my sponge bob is at 98/85/83, in a g4 with 100hp he finished the race in 2.38.11.358, he pitted on lap 22 and wrecked a bunch(left speed setting on 3 w/ overtake on).

The a/c runs the race in 2.33.24.581, I think that's the fastest ai.

I think I can beat the a/c in a s1, not sure how much more power is needed, definity need to tweak the tranny, might try softer tires with a one stop stratagy.....
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Post #18 - Updated 07/30/2006 5:25 PM
Thanks for your notes on Gineta G4. I used the '61 Jaguar to beat the A/C Cobra in the 1000 Miles series. Check my setup for the Jag' for details.
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Post #19 - Posted 07/30/2006 6:03 PM
the main reason I posted was the fact that the elan s1 can run the sarthe race on s1/s1 without a pit......

DTW?
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Post #20 - Posted 09/15/2006 12:08 AM
Started off A-spec against lead car Alfa Romeo Guilia Sprint. Used exact setup, running SS/SS.

PLayed A-spec for 3 laps to get decent lead (needs more brakes, I think, I'm from the school of thought where you brake like 2sec before turn, but this is endurance...) then pitted and put Bob in. By lap 12, lapped rear car and switched off to SS/SM (tires were wearing unevenly).

Smooth sailing thenceforth. Bob run at constant speed 3, pass light on to lap smoothly. Post made on Lap27 with lead lapped twice.

Very good setup... I tried running her with turbos and SH on on Nurburging... felt like a rally race. Thx for helping me tame her. ^_^
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