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6848
2000
Nürburgring Nordschleife
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12/12/2007 5:44 PM
 
Muffler Standard Suspension Racing
Racing Chip Normal Transmission Full Customize
NA Tune None Clutch Triple Plate
Front Tires S2 - Medium Flywheel Racing
Rear Tires S2 - Medium Carbon Driveshaft None
Nitrous None GT Auto - Wing None
Turbine Kit None Limited Slip Full Customize
Intercooler Sports AYC None
Supercharger None VCD None
Brakes Normal Weight Reduction None
Brake Controller None Increase Rigidity None
Setup Item Front Rear Setup Item Front Rear
Spring Rate 6.3 9.5 Stabilizers 4 4
Ride Height 114 114 Brake Balance
Shock Absorbers Downforce
Shock Bound 3 3 LSD Init. Torque 6
Shock Rebound 4 5 LSD Acceleration 18
Camber Angle 1.5 1.0 LSD Deceleration 12
Toe Angle -1 1 Nitrous
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th Final Auto Set
2.606 1.609 1.153 0.894 0.706 4.350 13
ASM
Oversteer
ASM
Understeer
TCS Ballast
Balance
Ballast
Weight
AYC VCD
0 0 0 -15 191
This car surprised me by being a fair bit quicker than others in the Esprit range - usually the model variations are so slight you can't really tell but the 350. after initial teething troubles with the handling, really flew in comparison to it's bretheren.

Okay we're only talking a couple of seconds at the 'Ring here but that can be all the difference you need sometimes.

She might benefit from a little tweaking of the camber ratios given the quite tall Ride Height but she is fine as she is.

The oddity of her being fitted with a Sports Intercooler is an oversight by me - I hadn't realised I hadn't unequipped it after playing about with various HP modifying bits of kit.
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Post #1 - Posted 12/13/2007 1:23 PM
Oh and I forgot to say that this is a 200 A-Spec set-up for the Pan European race series (as have all the Esprit set-ups I've posted on S tyres).

Also, the lap times I've noted for these recent set-ups are all 'race laps' rather than Hot Laps (I prefer to set cars up this way these days as the lack of tyre wear in Free Run can be misleading as to car balance).
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Post #2 - Posted 12/13/2007 4:55 PM
Also, for Dotini more than anyone else, this set-up with a bit of alteration will win the Premium Sports Lounge for 200 A-Spec versus Grid#8 from reboot:

Saleen A7, Vanquish, V8 Vantage, Zonda C12S, Cerbera Speed 12

The tweaks are to boost power to 395HP, put on S3 tyres and Ballast at 196. For New York, you cannot be 'nice' with your passes if you want to win i.e. you have to be a bit 'touring car' and wedge yourself down the inside if there's the sniff of a gap.
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Post #3 - Posted 12/13/2007 9:35 PM
Many thanks to Sir Sukerkin for the smorgasbord of Esprit setups. I've actually been testing all of them, but still shopping for that perfect used SE. Set up with something similar to your #6834 I scored 200 at Opera, failed badly at Sarthe and narrowly at the others. Then for a refreshing break I reacquainted myself with the Europa and Turbo HC, taking stock of their family quirks. It seems the backbone frame goes all the way back to the Elan and the infamous Lotus 40 - "the Lotus 30 with 10 more mistakes"! I knew winning with these Loti would take time and be more demanding than some others, e.g., the BMW M3 GTR. But heck, if it were easy, everybody would be doing it, and we've all the time in the (virtual) world. Nod
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Victory at the Nurburgring for 200 points
Post #4 - Posted 12/14/2007 1:43 PM
I have the pleasure of reporting a 200 point victory at the Nurburgring round of the Pan-Euro versus the 2nd reset line-up. My final lap was 7:32.277, about one second ahead of the XJ220. I used all the wallrides and most of the grasscuts I knew about, yet keeping it tidy elsewhere. Your setup clung to the road superbly, and is everything I had hoped for in an Esprit. Now my Lotus alter ego is a hero of the 'Ring!

Minor changes to the above setup included S3 tires at the rear, downforce at 9/7, and ballast up to 200. I hope you'll forgive me, but I'm an aging hippy and a pragmatic racer, needing and gratefully accepting all the help I can get.

In the next year or so one of my kart racing buddies and I are planning on a trip to the Nurburgring to drive a rental.

If you are willing to take a new request, it would be the 2J for the World GT. It needs your magic. :)
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Post #5 - Updated 12/14/2007 1:51 PM
You're more than welcome, good sir :tup:.

I shall be working on a set-up for the HC tonight and then maybe a high power, R tyre, incarnation of the 350 over the week-end Big Grin.

I haven't had this much fun with the game for ages, so thanks for inspiring me to get to work with the spanners again {I was even going through my old papers on damper technology the other night to see if my memory had let slip a way to limit high speed entry understeer without getting too much exit oversteer (a famous 'cake and eat it' scenario LOL}.

EDIT: Ah, we're on at the same time! Good evening, Dotini. Glad to hear of your success at the 'Ring - whoo-hoo! From one aging hippy to another, there's nothing quite like winning a race on a classic track in one of the older classics is there (allbeit it that the 350 is a re-imagining of an older car) Big Grin?

The 2J is a car I've never looked at before I don't think. It should be a very interesting time to try and sort her out for the high end series. Perhaps I'll get chance to spanner her on Sunday. I'll let you know what I find out.
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Post #6 - Posted 12/14/2007 6:26 PM
To the best of my limited knowledge and experience, the conventional GT4 damper nostrum for understeer-in with oversteer-out would be to reduce front bound or increase rear rebound, and reduce front rebound or increase rear bound.
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Post #7 - Posted 12/14/2007 7:28 PM
Those are indeed the 'classic' damper adjustments for the conditions you stated (if you haven't read it already then I suggest a visit to Neil Robert's articles on damper tuning, they're simple enough to easily apply to GT but cover all the bases) :tup:.

What I was after tho' was how to get a twitchy MR car to be stable under braking into a corner without understeering and be stable on the throttle out of a corner without understeering off the course or stepping the back end out.

That's why suspension tuning is a Black Art rather than a science Big Grin.

I've spent all night trying to come up with an alternative solution to the Esprit HC's handling quirks in the hope of providing an illustration of 'multiple ways to skin a cat' but, so far, nothing is better than the solution I've already come up with (or at least nothing that gives me both handling and balanced tyre life).
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Post #8 - Updated 12/19/2007 8:58 PM
Sukerkin, I am grateful for your many insights into the kaleidoscopic world of tuning. In reading Roberts I find some previous concepts challenged. I'm far from any synthesis, but it's good to know there's many "roads to Rome".
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Post #9 - Posted 01/30/2008 7:59 PM
Greetings, Sukerkin. Thought you'd enjoy knowing that this setup for the Esprit has been one of the 'most viewed' setups on GTVault, so obviously a lot of folks besides myself have benefitted from your insights, and I bet there are a lot of happier Lotus drivers out there due to your efforts.

As regards the 2J, I have finally managed to win all the GTWC races (for 200 pts each) with it barring Motegi and Sarthe, where I was obliged to use the 787B, and Grand Valley which I took with the Nissan GT-R Concept LM just for a wildly different flavor. Please see my setup #6786 for the 2J setup notes, if interested. The 2J is happiest at 90 degree corners, but still a handfull at some circuits, and awaits the ultimate setup.
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Post #10 - Posted 02/20/2008 2:12 PM
:Blush:

My thanks indeed for that, Dotini :tup:.

Sorry I've not been around since before Christmas but my driving set-up has been hors de combat after letting my godson and his brother play with it Eek.

I've finally got the time tonight to try and resurrect it so maybe I'll deliver on my promises made so long ago.

My apologies for that delay and I shall go and see what you did with the 2J. I don't think I ever did the hi-power R version of the 350 either did I? So much catching up to do - not the least of which being that I'll have to get back in the groove of driving after such a long lay-off.
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