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07/24/2008 10:29 PM
07/27/2008 1:18 AM  
Muffler Racing Suspension Racing
Racing Chip Sports Transmission Full Customize
NA Tune None Clutch Triple Plate
Front Tires R3 - Medium Flywheel Racing
Rear Tires R3 - Medium Carbon Driveshaft Equipped
Nitrous None GT Auto - Wing Equipped
Turbine Kit None Limited Slip Full Customize
Intercooler None AYC None
Supercharger Equipped VCD None
Brakes Normal Weight Reduction Stage 2
Brake Controller Equipped Increase Rigidity None
Setup Item Front Rear Setup Item Front Rear
Spring Rate 12.9 11.8 Stabilizers 6 5
Ride Height 94 94 Brake Balance 8 4
Shock Absorbers Downforce 22 19
Shock Bound 4 6 LSD Init. Torque 20
Shock Rebound 5 7 LSD Acceleration 40
Camber Angle 4.3 1.0 LSD Deceleration 25
Toe Angle -1 0 Nitrous
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th Final Auto Set
2.401 1.441 1.081 0.865 0.721 0.566 4.243 1
ASM
Oversteer
ASM
Understeer
TCS Ballast
Balance
Ballast
Weight
AYC VCD
0 0 1 0 0
Port Polish & Engine Balance done.
Standing starts should be done in second gear.
Test lap at the "Ring" was a 6'51.893.
Setup done on the Logitech G25 Racing Wheel.

Also the car has 506 miles and the body is ready for the Rigidity Refresh Plan.

Final updates to this incredible machine which include a touch of TCS to help if you are having throttle issues or (like me) are a bad driver and get anxious when under pressure.
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Post #1 - Updated 07/25/2008 4:26 PM
Updated the setup once more adding the LSD back into the car. I had put it in then removed it to test the difference but this car clearly benefits from having one. I also ran the test lap again; all my testing is done at the "Ring", and came up with a 6'51.893 which; considering my crappy racing skills, I am very pleased with.
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Post #2 - Posted 08/03/2008 12:21 PM
Greetings DTW;
--I was curious if you had tried this car on sport tires? I had to soften it up a bit from stock to break 6'50 on S2 tires at 704 HP. Handles well but tightend up on the 2nd lap
-Nurburgring Racer-
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Post #3 - Updated 08/03/2008 4:45 PM
I did the original stages of tuning on S2's but that was with 400-ish (can't recall the precise amount) of horse power. So no I haven't tried it on S2's but I can try it out now and get back to you later today or so. Honestly though I am not a very good racer and doubt I could break those numbers, regardless I can give it a try. You said it tightened up on the second lap? Were you in a race or somewhere else that tire wear was turned on?

Edit: Eek Wow on S2's this thing is a real monster. I'm afraid I don't have the skill to get around the Ring on S2's in that time frame. In fact it is scary as heck just trying to get around at all. Vomit

I don't know if softening either the springs or the shocks is going to help. I see that you reported that it did but I'm not sure how it helped you. Doing either of those should increase body roll which should cause you to lose grip and slide off track. I could see how changing the camber would help since there are so many corners. With that said you could adjust the wing to increase grip in high speed corners but you are going to suffer in the straights.
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Post #4 - Posted 08/03/2008 7:53 PM
--Thanks for giving it a run. I worked at it agian earlier and came up with the same thoughts. Added camber to the front and increased foward downforce. However, came up with the same results of a 6'50 best lap without loss of speed into Antoniusbuche from the back stretch. LOL and yes the GTS is an animal. We'll see how its brother the SRT10 does next.
-- As for the tire wear, Im fortunate enough to have local racers to compete against so all my testing for Nurburgring is done in Family cup or 2 player mode for smaller tracks. Tire wear is a big issue for us and I need all the laps I can get.
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Post #5 - Updated 08/05/2008 5:22 PM
You know what, let me take another look at this. If you could do me a favor and run the Ring with this setup so I can get an idea of how much faster you are then me. Remember to run it just as it is here with the R3's. Let me know if you have a stage 2 or 3 weight reduction also. I will be changing it to a stage 3 to help get it below the 6'50" mark. I'm only aiming for a comparison of times.
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Dare to Compare
Post #6 - Updated 08/05/2008 8:12 PM
hehe;
-- You got it buddie. Ill hit it tonite and let you know before the sun sets Wink
Note... I just checked my notes and I am at stage 3 weight. Stock Racing LSD and TCS 3.

Later that nite.....
--WOW. to get a handle on what we got, here are my setting. By no means great. Just comfy enough to get me around the "Ring" while trying to go as fast as I can. LOL
Springs 6.8--6.0 Height 120--124 Bound 5--6 Rebound 6--7 Camber 2.0--1.0 Toe 0--0 Stablizers 5--5 Brakes 5--8 Downforce 25--30 Stock Racing LSD. Trany Autoset Stock 15 TCS 1

Heres how it went;
--1st run my settings S2 Tires in Practice- 6'45.612
--2nd run your settings S2 Tires in Practice- 6'56.776
--3rd run my settings R3 Tires in Practice- 6'33.598
--4th run your settings R3 Tires in Practice- 6'28.185

- Earlier today I was thinking about your comment on my soft settings rolling over in corners. This test session showed me why I go that route. The stiffer springs on S2 tires tended to slide in corners for me and gave me hell over Flugplatz and espcially through Pflanzgarten I and II.
- On R3 tires your setting came alive and reminded my of the Viper Concept. She was extremly controlable and gave me no issues in the above mentioned sections. I like the trany set from a race tire point of view. It took off from the corners but ran out on the back stretch reaching 195 to my 203. Either tire I had no issues exiting corners with LSD at 1 and intend to go 0 when I bring this car to my 4th Stage of testing.
- If 2 Player allowed Racing Tires on Normal Cars I would definitly grab your set. An oversite of GT designers. GT3 had it. Let me know what you think. Laters, Ed
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Post #7 - Posted 08/05/2008 6:16 PM
Cut the TCS back to 1, that alone will increase your times a touch. With this gearing if you stay out of first there shouldn't be any wheel spin. Well, that's as long as you don't stomp on the pedal as hard as you can. On that note you can use the throttle-on-understeer to help rotate you through corners; however, that will take a little practice. Once you get the feel down though it will get through low speed corners quicker.
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Post #8 - Updated 08/06/2008 1:19 AM
Ok I'm working on this but it will take a bit since I have to basically start from scratch. I can't believe you managed to pull off a 6'28 compared to my 6'51. Now I know my racing skills suck! Oh well that isn't enough to stop me from playing.

Some observations... Lower your ride height by about 10 clicks. Adjust your camber by 10 clicks or so. Lower your rear wing, the front wing is where you will get the cornering at high speeds. You're going to break the slip angle no matter what you do; S2's simply can't handle this much horse power. The trick is to minimize the resulting slide time and keep it under control. A drifter may be better at making a 6'50 setup but that's just speculation on my part.

I'm not going to adjust the gears at this point. I understand that they may be slower off the line and top speed is a bit lower but these settings require less shifting. I have the philosophy that less shifting is better and this approach can be tested. All you have to do is run the track once with my gears then a second time with the autoset however you like it. Besides I can always make a small adjustment later to increase the top speed. To do that I would need to adjust the final so 6th isn't as long.

Edit: After sliding off the road and wrecking more times then Phillis Diller has wrinkles I think I'm pretty much whopped. Here are some settings that may help you along...
Springs: 8.7 / 8.0
Ride: 104 / 104
Bound: 3 / 4 and Rebound: 6 / 7
Camber: 3.2 / 1.9
Stabilizers: 5 / 4
Wing: 27 / 19
In my opinion it is unstable in this form and is unforgiving. Best of luck and you should drop BTWhite37 a message if you haven't already. He may have more suggestions.
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Post #9 - Posted 08/06/2008 9:40 PM
You were right DTW. It pretty much felt like stock with some extra rear bounce. I swaped the downforce figures to keep me on the track while still trying to charge through the course. I have a feeling that Ive aclimated myself to a certian feel for the Ring and any ridged bounce tends to throw any timeing I may have. Not to mention I use a control pad, which can be a little unforgiving with inputs to steering if access lines into corners are incorrect. But like you I just enjoy trying to tame the Green Hell.
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